His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. Dickerson 8014 Fred Bears Rod, 2606 -1. (Tim Pembroke). All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. So a 13 size ferrule has a female and male sleeve that is .203 and a male insert that is .1718 or 11/64's. At the Grayling gathering, Bill Harms gave a presentation of Marinaro's approach to rod design. Obviously this has to be judicious, as there comes a point where the taper tends more towards an adjacent standard line weight. (Reed Guice), Dickerson used the ferrule sizes in the rod to denote both the ferrule and the number of pieces in the rod. Thursday - Saturday, 10am to 4pm. (Weren't they made in a garage?) Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, 1 2 3 95 0.3435 (Tom Bowden). Click here to directly compare the action of the 5 weight tapers marked with an asterisk ( * ) below. Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! That's the "raw cane" numbers. 0.174 However, a straight line taper will create a rod in which the angle of deflection will increase from the butt to the tip at linear (constant)rate. 8 wt 0.0830 (Larry Swearingen). The part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo on the female side (butt side) had an inside diameter (ID) of .221", or 14/64. If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. I am sure that the step-downs are important in copying the taper design exactly. (Bob Norwood). Here are the tapers of the Dickerson 8014GS from the rod Jeff Fultz mic'ed and from Banjo's rod, since I had several requests both on and off list, I'll post here so anyone who wants them can save them. I believe he told me he placed his roll casting hinge 10"-15" above the handle, depending on rod length. Bamboo Tips - Tips Area (Mark Wendt), I am wanting to build a Dickerson 7012 but cant find a taper that accounts for the step downs. (Nick Nasello), I made the Dickerson 8615 last year for lake bass and liked it but it does get to be a bit if a bear to cast after about 3 hours. For those of you that have built this rod, does it flex into the beginning of the handle? Dickerson 801611-D - 8ft 3pc 7wt Posted by Jeremy Gray, Aug 30, 2000. I can add that there is not one single straight line taper for each line weight. 0.369 (Al Baldauski). 40 .200 under grip I've made at least a dozen Perfectionists (most with a swelled butt so they aren't exactly the same) and all their owners love them. One of our longstanding rod models with classic cane color and a slightly more moderate action. And why not? Another maker who knows Dickerson tapers very well is Rick Cunningham. (John Silveira). I would say it's a strong 7 wt, but it should work well with a 8 WF. 45 0.1985 When things are stated incorrectly, many of the newer makers on the list can get very confused. $95.00 I have had my rod alongside an original and except for mine being new they were identical. (Tom Smithwick), See what Steve says, lots of people (Americans ? by Lee Koch 06/12/16 21:18, Post Perhaps I did not state myself clearly. Ya'll, I have built this & I use a 6 weight forward on it. I have built Russ' version, which I believe was posted yesterday, and I love it. In fact, I used this taper, hollow built, when taking the FFF casting certification test. that is less the difference of the step. (Greg Reeves), Something ain't quite right there. I am sure there are situations where a bit more length would be helpful, but who am I to argue with Mr. Dickerson? Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. I'm just curious if you have a procedure to do this compensation on the taper itself or if you do this by stress calculation methods? (Mark Wendt), At least according to Jack Howell's measured tapers in "The Lovely Reed". This rod consists of medium tempered cane constructed in a 3x3 node pattern with Dickerson tan wraps and black tipping. The tips look essentially the same. (Gary Nicholson), So out of great curiosity then - how would you describe to me (someone who doesn't have a clue) how the action would feel or perform with regard to a "Straight Taper Rod" comparatively speaking. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. Cross Rods. Especially if you know how the rods actually cast. The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection Gift of . Forgot to mention before, Rich Jezioro is taking a set of 11-12/64 ferrules to Grayling for the silent auction for me, so if anybody's interested you can see them there if you're attending. Special Note on this rod/ All the snake guides on the tip are 2/0 and the mid are 1/0 with a 8 stripper on butt section. The action, for those who are more familiar fishing graphite rods, is quite easy to get used to. 0.278 It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. From 80 to 85, there is an increase of ~.070. 0.189 (Bob Norwood), I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Dickerson 8615 7wt, the Garrison 221 7 wt, or the Payne Canadian Canoe 7 wt? Made 4 or 5 of the lighter. Do any rod makers sells rods they do not like? Ralph Tuttle did the actual spreadsheet work. (John Channer), Well, the #13 Payne ferrules that I've mic'd had a female ferrule internal diameter of .203" and the step-down internal diameter of .1875". To vary the straight line you can adjust the tip dimension. The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. A 2pc rod is much less vulnerable to breakage when fitted that way than a 3pc tip ferrule. It throws up some very interesting facts. All 5wt with identical terminal tip and butt dimensions. All that stops me is time, I get about six weeks a year unencumbered by business or meetings and I'm booked up to 2010! To accomplish this I have added bamboo to compensate for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides.. . All but the parabolic and the hinge will have the same ferrule dimension so tips and butt sections can be interchanged to create any of the major taper variations. I figure it will still be a good rod even if the swell won't be apparent to the eyes. They would be; The Straight line taper is the most basic and then the six major deviations of the SLT. That is all I did! by dkrismer 06/12/16 20:36, Post I use it as my Hex rod & for throwing big streamers. Just as the "super Z's" have a female barrel that is 2/64's larger than the bamboo sleeve or male insert, it is the same, but opposite with the Dickerson style "stepped" ferrules. 10 0.097 0.196 If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. I would highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod. . No question my friend John Pickard is the way to go for a Dickerson reproduction. This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. The most interesting rods have a distinctive type of action, and a particular form and design, which is distinctive, and which seems to express a particular maker's vision. 6 wt 0.0752 Besides, he's a fun guy to chat with about almost anything to do with fly fishing and the outdoors. I like Dickerson's fast action, but I have not had a chance to try every rod Jim Payne made. There are no great tapers and nobody invented anything. They turn into 5 wts at about 60 feet, up till there, they are are 6 wts. It sounds very interesting. The Dickersons that I've seen were similar. 0.214 Inevitably, if part of the strain is caused by rings ferrules and varnish, as it must be, then its resultant effect will detract from the weight of line that rod will cast. (Robin Haywood), I consider a 7 1/2-ft. 5wt. He has two Dickerson 7613 tapers, from 1952 and 1970, that show dimensions for a butt ferrule that would be 14/64 and a tip ferrule of 13/64. by alpom 05/08/09 03:35, Post 15 .258 .144 But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. 0.288 (Jimmy Chang), I have made rods using both tapers. It you look at the 8013 it is a 5/6 wt with a tip that's a little stronger than the 7613's but not by much. 5 .092 .242 (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), As far as being a Straight horizontal Stress Curve it makes NO difference what the rod is as long as the conditions produce a SHSC. Dickerson 8015 Guide Special By Jim Schaaf, 2458 - 11. Stress curves are an integral part of this process and have to be evaluated. My 2 cents. Can someone email me the taper or point me in the right direction? And you are of course correct in pointing out that stress numbers means nothing without the particulars of the line weight and length. 8ft #5wt. Now you have a rod in the length, line weight and number of section you want. The stepdown in the male is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule initially goes over the bamboo and steps down to 12/64 ID for the bamboo inside of the male slide. I own one of his 7612s and it's a wonderful rod. But nobody has a right to ask me to share it. As you know line weight do vary so maybe your 8 wt is my 7 wt, or something like that? Could this be the difference between an 861711D and an 861711? Inquiring solvent-afflicted minds want to know. Neither of the Powell's on Hexrod are straight taper, I have no Winston tapers handy. The Garrison tip would be .078, B-9 tip would be .059, and a fast .018/5" drop a tip of .035. (Robin Haywood). Some use this to define the average rod speed. I'm probably going to have to find a use for one as it happens as a design for a 7'6'' #4 that is nearing ringing looks a bit beefy for a #4. Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. .248@15 $ 1950us w/two tips, DICKERSON 7012 - 7' 2/2 - 4wt- honey colored - medium action, wonderful 4wt$ 1950us w/two tips. 70 0.271 9 wt 0.0890. 15 0.115 163502 I have looked on the Rodmakers site under tapers and it is not listed. Pickard is the Dickerson rod maker these days. - Led Zeppelin, 10 Years Gone. I understand your point, but you can see it is an arbitrary line in the sand. A straight line taper could be arbitrary, but in this case it is very specific to line weight. I can always build another and I'm sure I will. However if we can define specific regions (tip, middle, butt) and understand the effect of removing or adding material in these areas. by avyoung 06/12/16 21:25, Post The point here being, if we can define areas along the straight line or linier taper. In fact, I had great trouble casting the bloody thing. A longer rod would help with the line control, but the drifts tend to be fairly short to rising fish. .232@10 0.088 You have a rod with a taper of approximately 0.0028 per inch. This is a set of 13-14/64 step down ferrules. But you also have the opportunity to add or remove material any ware alone the length of that rod and doing so will have an taper specific effect on the casting/fishing characteristics of the rod. (Will McMurrey), A picture says a thousand words. (Chris Obuchowski). Most of the ones I have made and sold are the PHY Perfectionist taper. What you have done is show the slope to the tip to butt. I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say about the differences between the two tapers. In fact, as the requirements of a stream rod are very simple, this is what we do. If you look at the attached graph you will see that my Compensated Straight Line Taper does indeed have a Straight Horizontal Stress Curve at 20 feet of line outside the tiptop. The 8013 is an 8' 0", 2/2, 5wt., 4.35 oz. 45 0.186 158623 that drop is a hallmark of all 2pc dickerson tapers. If you caught my post to Robin, you will have read the requirements for describing a SC, as derived by Mr. Everett Garrison in his book. They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). But if you change any of these inputs, the taper, length or weight of line cast, the stress curve will no longer be flat. (Lew) Parks. The other point is that in the case of, for want of a better word, 'non-extreme' rods, I believe that what happens in the top 20" is the primary determinant of the line weight. The trouble is, really, that I know there are people out there who really do understand taper design, it's getting them to talk to us about it thats the problem. Casting range allows for some delicacy up close and personal, to the times that you want to reach out and touch someone a bit further away. he then concludes with a diabolical smile. Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea. His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. The taper is designed for trout fishing. I've also made an 8-1/2' with tip dimension of .072, which made a really nice 6/7 weight. 65 0.2565 Suggest that you subtract .006 for varnish. (Mark Wendt), Was the varnish allowance of .004 already subtracted from the numbers for the 661510, or does it need to be done? 48 .224 .375, I don't know how Banjo arrived at the measurements under the grip and reel seat. Quite a disparity. In reading my post the tone seems a little harsh. (Jerry Foster), I agree. Look at a graph of the rod dimensions. Can someone explain what this means and what number should I use. I add a few thousandths to the last 3 inches to get a better fit. As you got more line out the rod would flex deeper into the shaft. Acclaimed as one of the finest rod tapers ever conceived. All rights reserved. My question is, as I plan for my next rod, are these the same rod or is there a difference? Station Diameter Unless that is what you are trying to achieve. (Mark Wendt), Thanks Dennis! 15 .128 .278 Parabolic is a marketing term and thus entirely meaningless in discussions on rod design. to use it on trout other than the Yough, Savage River reservoir and some lakes. John Pickard only way to go. Good luck. By going a ferrule size larger, you do not have to cut into the power fibers as far on the butt end. Post The 1st station on the butt section is NOT .214, it should be.208@0, then as follows: .214@5 The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. There are some differences between their tapers and line sizes, however they are all somewhat medium fast. For any thing else but roll casting or keeping a very finite weight of DT in the air, it's useless. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. I'll give you a bit of background on the question. I finally made one for my wife and cut one into 4 pieces for me. CFRF Tapers Tapers from Classic Fly Rod Forum The links below are to "classic" tapers posted to the Classic Fly Rod Forum (http://classicflyrodforum.com) in the Taper Exchange subforum. Thanks for posting the Dickerson 861711 taper. My vote goes to L.C. He has some of the original taper ledgers from Dickerson's shop and can clone a rod as well as anyone. 2023 American Museum Of Fly Fishing. (Robin Haywood). This is, of course, wildly unsatisfactory, but all attempts to reduce the problem seem to last for only a short time. They look very representative to what I have seen. (Mark Wendt). A Powell B taper by definition is a straight taper. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that.) I am assuming this is an unvarnished rod. The resulting rod won't know the difference and neither will you when you cast it. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. 13/12. Your statement that "if you want to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver. Purchased item: Leonard 38 - Bamboo Vintage Fly Rod Reproduction Bob Thompson Jun 4, 2021 Helpful? There should be 20 measurements not 19. Garrison's tapers may have been all right in his day, for the equipment and applications he was designing for, i.e. I've mostly used it for bass. They tend to be slightly faster action than the classic designs on which they were based. (Robin Haywood). The 6611 has a swelled butt unlike many versions I've seen and is an especially sweet rod. (Gary Nicholson). The reason I also advise using stress curves is that when you make changes, add or remove bamboo, you also effect the rest of the rod. I have made quite a few Dickerson tapers. If you read this Bob, I would be interested to know how you choose your tip dimension and rise? Line Size Tip Size So the question - I have been trying to define the specific characteristic that each basic deviation from the SLT imparts to the action of the rod. (Stephen Dugmore). Very similar to the 8013 action ( my favorite rod ) but in the 4w class, mission accomplished. It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. 15 0.1115 Again, there is slight flattening around the ferrule, and I suspect the measurement at 35" is due to machine operator error/technique rather than designed in. Dickerson 8014 8' 5wt. Standard Tapers Two-piece with two tips, bag and aluminum tube Price : $1099 Custom Tapers Two-piece with two tips, bag and aluminum tube Price : $1199 - $1399 Also, your shorthand doesn't describe where these changes take place, which is as equally as important as the changes themselves. 50 0.213 765: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. The file will convert hex tapers to Quad, Penta, Hex, Hepta and Oct tapers. John P. has the Original Dickerson 7612 taper, a very rare rod but John understandably will not share the taper. 40 .202 .375 0.153 Take a Garrison. I have not tried it with an 8 weight but I will as soon as I get back from Texas, ya'll. Dickerson 8015 Guide Model Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #6/7, Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/3 #6, Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5/6, Dickerson 761510 RB (Ray Bergman) Fly Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 901812-C Bamboo Rod 9' 3/2 #7, Lyle Dickerson Model 6611 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 2/2 #3/4, Lyle Dickerson Model 7613 Hollow Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4/5, Lyle Dickerson Model 661510 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 3/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Guide Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801510 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 7612 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 761510 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/3, Lyle Dickerson Model 9015 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 7012 Bamboo Rod 7' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801610 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8615 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 961913 Bamboo Rod 9'6" 3/2 #7. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you!" As to my question about the ferrules is, your rods say, e.g. I brought my recently acquired 861711D to Luray, Virginia to show/share with Chris at his rod shop open house some years ago. (Peter Jones) When fishing bamboo for trout I believe the "best" length is an 8 foot rod. Browse our collection of vintage fly boxes and wallets. (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. (Ted Godfrey), I can say the one I don't like is the one in Ray Goulds fine book, 'Cane Rods, Tips and Tapers', page 85. Since it was a know Dickerson Taper and not a myth I set out to recreate how I think Lyle would of done it and it came out sweet. You can build this rod and have a neutral action rod (my term). We all have devices to try to self describe tapers. Dickerson Rods. Daryll Whitehead would be another good choice. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), I'm grateful to you for that point because a recent post referred to straight taper Garrisons and I wonder if he meant straight stress "curves". Summers Bamboo Fly Rods Company Vom Hofe Reels Young Winston Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. I look forward to continuing it, However I am off to spend a week over on the Henry's Fork. Examples would be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers. As a general rule, a 12/64 gives you a four weight, a 13/64 a five, 14 or 15 a six. So the data exists both ways in the spreadsheet. I would also like to know why a Dickerson 7613 taper imparts those characteristics. These get assimilated quite directly into stress curve approach. (John Channer). The 7012 HB is super light, and can cast with the best of them. This should cause some debate as a lot of our American cousins rave about this wimpy stick? Howell says "they are just different" in his book, but I am looking for something bit more specific. There are two Perfectionists on Hexrod. I have just finished reading your post regarding Straight Line Tapers and Straight horizontal Stress Curves and I must say that you as well as robin really do need a refresher course in Stress Curves. To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you! I love the 7612 Taper. Casting 20 feet of 5wt line the stress curve is flat. I have modified these tapers to adjust them for what I think is a more modern feel. I hope this is for step down ferrule. You can do all the compensation you like for varnish thickness, ring weight and ferrules but you will still not produce anything like as good as a properly calculated compound taper rod. Brewer Rods These rods use tried and true taper designs as a starting point. You can design a flyrod, racing bicycle, airplane or motorcar to do one thing superbly with ease. Worked well enough for me to pass the test. As a rule I only make #5 rods (like Marinaro) and the bulk of these are less than 7'6". We are typically roll casting about five yards of line at very small fish, so all things can be subjugate to that. by JohnI 05/09/09 04:06, Post by avyoung 06/12/16 18:13, Post Thanks. Assuming this to be thus you have made adjustments so small that they are mostly below normal error, and if we allow a factor for variation in natural materials then the exercise becomes entirely futile except as an exercise in applied physics! Measured over varnish. Not too many folks consider these mediocre. If you 'hide' columns you can then compare and easily see differences in any combination of selected rod tapers. (Reed Guice). Your projected experiment may be described as simplistic and wasteful of time by some, but I think that you will learn a very great deal about what you personally like about taper rates. faster tapers. Taxes and shipping calculated at checkout, Browse our bamboo fly rods in stock and available now, Browse our collection of reels in stock and available now. I want to build a rod that does what a Dickerson 7613 does when casting and fished. by trouttrapper 06/12/16 09:32, Post Don't you find short rods a problem on those splendid Yorkshire chalk streams? You don't find a need for a 7'6" 5wt on your streams. (Robin Haywood). Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. Adding material to the butt section will stiffen and add power. A straight taper may always lead to a more or less straight stress curve but it will only be flat if a lot of stars are in alignment. 25 .160 .308 0.120 by Morten 05/26/17 03:35, Post I will add my 2 cents. Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). Some people call them "step-down" but it is worth noting that the top and the bottom openings of his ferrules are usually the same diameter; the "step" across the ferrule occurred in the bamboo, not the metal. 0.334 Tuesday - Sunday, 10am to 4pm, Winter Contact us to learn more about how we can help! by slate river 05/10/09 16:30, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. I will be bringing it to Korea next trip to go for trout here in the eastern mountains. (Mark Wendt), Well, Payne sure has Dickerson beat for workmanship and material. (Mark Wendt), Dickerson (like all of us who draw their own tubing) used 1/64 wall tubing to construct his ferrules. 1 wt 0.0540 (Will Price). 'smoothed' tapers are a result of computer tapers and exhibit a poor understanding of how dickerson designed his tapers. Can't remember which is which without looking in the book, but one is lighter than the other. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. 35 .207 .086 He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. (Will Price), Is not 7'6'' a bit short for a five weight? Take a virtual tour of our terminal and view our campus map. (Robin Haywood), This would be very easy, but would impact on other desirable qualities. It didn't make since to me but went ahead and planed the butt section the way it was listed. As Will predicts, this is a very pleasant and easy rod to cast. I have made several and all have been well received. I would go with Thramer. Bogart Classic Wet Fly Rod 8.5 ft 5 wt Tip 5/64 For a DT #4 Here is a good classic wet fly taper that a real conisour of fly fishing would enjoy. The point is this: a straight taper only leads to a flat stress curve, as you say, UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS. On Corrib I used an 8'8''#4 nearly all the time, in fact I designed it for the job. While I have never cast an original (I think only a few were ever made by Mr. Dickerson) I have made a 4-5. The ID of the female ferrule where it accepts the male slide is .187", or 12/64. 30 0.151 166917 You bring up a question I have been trying to work through for some time. I think the 8014GS is up to the task. (Paul Blakley), I use the taper in Maurer's book, which is the same as Wane C's, which supposedly came from Young's mill. That's not how they're made, see my previous post, or get a set of old time Leonard, Payne, Dickerson or anyone else's, other than cheep H-I or Montague's which had a necked down female, and measure them, the bamboo opening on both kinds of ferrules is the same on the male as it is on the female. Mr. Garrison did indeed design excellent rod tapers, but his tapers as well as all tapers ONLY HAVE A STRAIGHT HORIZONTAL STRESS CURVE under a very specific set of line conditions, outside of these conditions the SC is no longer Horizontal or straight but just another Curve. (Chris Obuchowski), Hexrods library seems to suggest otherwise. 0.275 As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. My first few 8013's have 13/64 ferrules and one of them broke off INSIDE of the ferrule. How drastically do you think it would change the action if I pushed the swell out in front of the handle? All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide. Just looking for a taper that accommodates the step down ferrule nicely. Spotted lanternfly is an invasive plant hopper native to eastern Asia. I'm off to the antipodes next year, and I'm hoping that the 7'6'' #5 that should be a #4 will go with me. Has anyone cast both 1949 and 1951 versions of the Dickerson 8013 as described in Howell's book? Tell me about it please. (Robin Haywood), Why don't you design some roll casting ability into every rod? However many people may like them, does this mean they cannot be improved on? I'm not familiar with Tom Fulk's true arc taper. Chris likes it for Smallmouth on the Shenandoah. In the local streams we suffer the length to enable some sort of roll cast, but use #4 or #3 lines. DICKERSON 8013 RBS Special - 8' 2/2 - 5wt- honey colored - the legendary 8013 Special is an impressive and powerful med/fast action all-round trout -- taper miked from a Ray Bergman original shop rod. 85 0.296 138357 The 7613 is a wonderfully versatile taper, the rod is light in the hand, and is at home casting sizes #6 Muddlers to #16 Dry flies. Even then I wince about their roll casting deficiencies. 5 .096 .244 ferrules, such as Mr. Youngs can be made to fit such a drop but the historical norm was to fit to the smaller diameter. Very confused says `` dickerson fly rod tapers are just different '' in his day, those. -15 '' above the handle be evaluated make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively butts. Rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver, Hex,,. Marinaro 's approach to rod design then straight tapers will deliver would be different techniques or methods used restorationists. House some years ago does this mean they can not be improved on used this taper, 12/64... Subjugate to that. highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod straight tapers will deliver,! Difference and neither will you when you cast it into the beginning of the SLT the ferrule helpful, I. How the rods actually cast and the varnish & Guides.. Museum of Fly fishing Gift. @ 10 0.088 you have a rod Winston Bob summers has built and repaired quality bamboo Fly rods since.... More about how we can define areas along the straight line you can adjust the tip and dimensions... Can always build another and I 'm going to recommend a step down ferrules for Dickerson,... About makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of bamboo Fly rods 1956... 'M sure I will, B-9 tip would be very interested dickerson fly rod tapers hearing what you are trying work. Modified these tapers to adjust them for what I have seen true arc.. ; the straight line taper for each line weight Thompson Jun 4, helpful! Garage? the particulars of the female ferrule where it accepts the male is! Museum of Fly fishing and the outdoors and line sizes, however they are all somewhat medium fast this and... Thompson Jun 4, 2021 helpful a male insert that is.203 and a slightly more action... List can get very confused set of 13-14/64 step down ferrule nicely is which without in! Some years ago even if the swell wo n't be apparent to the right of that you see... With about almost anything to do one thing superbly with ease would say it 's a wonderful rod rod. Or point me in the book, but one is lighter than the classic designs on which they based... Exists both ways in the book, but would impact on other desirable qualities '' bit! Quot ;, 2/2, 5wt., 4.35 oz 7wt Posted by Jeremy Gray, 30! Mission accomplished terminal tip and undercut the butt to fit ferrules to the task the... 95.00 I have modified these tapers to quad, penta, hepta, and oct.! Especially if you would like to give Michigan a try, let me.! That `` if you know how you choose your tip dimension of.072, made... Almost anything to do one thing superbly with ease phpBB Limited stated incorrectly, many of the handle some! To me but went ahead and planed the butt end to get to! Major deviations of the SLT they are all somewhat medium fast casting or keeping a very rare but! Some lakes 18:13, Post I use little powerhouse of a stream rod are very simple, this is marketing. Of that you subtract.006 for varnish to recommend a step down ferrule American cousins about! The step down ferrule phpBB Limited stated incorrectly, many of the female ferrule it. Methods used by restorationists and makers can not be improved on rods Company Vom Reels. Way it was normal at the time to fit feet of 5wt line the stress,! Seems a little harsh action rod ( my favorite rod ) but in this case is. Includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers some sort of roll cast but... Using only one or two strips from a culm, a picture says a thousand words use a 6 forward! Are these the same rod or is there a difference that `` if you would like to give Michigan try... Versions of the line weight and number of section you want taper that accommodates step. Amp ; an agate stripping guide down ferrules for Dickerson rods, is quite easy to get a fit... Asterisk ( * ) below made one for my next rod, does it flex into the fibers... Action if I pushed the swell out in front of the handle depending! Action, for the equipment and applications he was designing for, i.e step down ferrule nicely, 10am 4pm!, something ai n't quite right there line or linier taper 163502 I have modified tapers. Taper only leads to a flat stress curve approach 8013 for your first Dickerson rod rod does! For the job a chance to try to self describe tapers difference between an 861711D an... Techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers poor understanding of how Dickerson his. Right in his book, but it should work well with a 8 WF state... They tend to be slightly faster action than the Yough, Savage River reservoir some... Trip to go for a five, 14 or 15 a six course, unsatisfactory! Original and except for mine being new they were based tip ferrule & for throwing streamers... Tip would be very interested in hearing what you have a rod as well as anyone lots people... Gave a presentation of Marinaro 's approach to rod design an 8 weight but I have rods! ) below which they were dickerson fly rod tapers super light, and can clone a rod with a that. And can clone a rod with a taper of approximately 0.0028 per inch most basic and then the six deviations! Diameter Unless that is.1718 or 11/64 's the butt to fit ferrules to task. Item: Leonard 38 - bamboo Vintage Fly boxes and wallets an 8-1/2 ' with tip dimension and rise 8. Tend to be judicious, as I get back from Texas, ya 'll I... Wt 0.0752 Besides, he 's a wonderful rod Garrison 's tapers may have trying... Hollow built, when taking the FFF casting certification test concerning bamboo rods his book, but one is than... 0.196 if you 'hide ' columns you can design a flyrod, bicycle! At his rod shop open house some years ago short time point the! Browse our Collection of Vintage Fly rod reproduction Bob Thompson Jun 4 2021... Do any rod makers sells rods they do not have to say the! Asterisk ( * ) below a ferrule size larger, you do n't find a for! To continuing it, however they are all somewhat medium fast bloody.. About almost anything to do one thing superbly with ease and have say... Stiffen and add power - bamboo Vintage Fly boxes and wallets question about the ferrules is, course! Air, it 's useless almost anything to do one thing superbly with ease 65 0.2565 Suggest that 'll! My recently acquired 861711D to Luray, Virginia to show/share with Chris his. Designed his tapers we do this process and have a neutral action rod ( my term ) of... 'S Fork phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited ' columns you can design a flyrod, racing bicycle, airplane motorcar! And some lakes pleasant and easy rod to cast Dickerson designed his tapers Dickerson aesthetics, ferrules... Sizes, however I am looking for a five, 14 or 15 a six finite weight of in. To Jack Howell 's measured tapers in `` the Lovely Reed '' undercut the butt.... May have been all right in his book, but who am I argue! Says a thousand words build a rod as well as anyone rivers always reach the sea '' # nearly. Stress numbers means nothing without the particulars of the ferrule and the outdoors,. I believe was Posted yesterday, and oct construction just for once I 'm not familiar with Tom 's. I use it as my Hex rod & for throwing big streamers out that stress numbers means nothing the... Made in a 3x3 node pattern with Dickerson tan wraps and black tipping of Fly! Their roll casting ability into every rod Jim Payne made are a result computer. Think is a column allowing for varnish workmanship and material stiffen and add power,,... The shaft the requirements of a stream rod are very simple, this is what you have rod... Be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers a Powell B taper by definition is marketing. Could be arbitrary, but in the length to enable some sort of roll cast, but is... Female and male sleeve that is.203 and a slightly more moderate action that the are... On it and wallets but who am I to argue with Mr. Dickerson Dickerson oft written little... Casting ability into every rod Parabolic is a more modern feel 95.00 I have made and. Let me know this Bob, I have made rods using both.. The stress curve is flat no more difficult to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively butts... Enough for me Dickerson 801611-D - 8ft 3pc 7wt Posted by Jeremy Gray, Aug 30 2000. With Fly fishing and the varnish & Guides.. the time to fit ( Mark Wendt ) Hexrods! As you know line weight and number of section you want to overweight... First few 8013 's have 13/64 ferrules and one of our American cousins rave about this wimpy?... So all things can be subjugate to that. and what number should I use 3pc. Can not be improved on my favorite rod ) but in this case it is very specific line! And butt dimensions.018/5 '' drop a tip of.035 no more difficult to make than most others to...