Member of the Manson Family (born 1949) Add links. Kasabian was a 20-year-old hippy with a 16-month daughter in July 1969 when she met members of Manson's Family and was asked to join their commune at a dilapidated ranch known as Spahn's. Linda Kasabian ran away from her small New Hampshire town when she was 16, married a man she barely knew, divorced, married again, and gave birth to a daughter, all before she was 20 years old . Because certainly the message couldn't be, "sorry you're in jail bud, but we kicked started a global race war last night". She witnessed Charles "Tex" Watson shoot and kill Steven Parent as he was trying to exit the property. It doesn't make sense to suppose that they're all independently connected just because you don't want to accept the overall result and certain aspects that led to that result. This guy said she carried a knife eith her at all times linda was still frightened of manson family finfing her. Manson Mythos saidAbout the license, it had to be expiredNo it didn't.Bugliosi said that was the ONLY reason she was "picked"Exactly. A trip to see the SS might have broken his case apart and make another witness (DeCarlo) useless. var part1 = "gw"; people who assert their opinions as biblical truths.I am not picking on him, but just by way of example, Saint said."The real Losers in this entire sage are the victims and their families".First of all, no offense but that is a "duh" statement to the point of being a cliche.Second, it is said that you can't compare pain any more than you can compare love. When he then asks "do you mean 3 a.m. or midnight" he's leading the witness. After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get out. In my opinion then and only then does the 'immunity' award begin to raise doubts in the minds of the jurors regarding her credibility. Even if she was alone for as long as 2 or 3 minutes, a pregnant, tied, tired, scared {described by Atkins as "going out of her mind"} Sharon wasn't The Fugitive on TV who would take the first possible opportunity to effect escape.From the confusion that all of the perps have spoken of that night, what I've gleaned is that we have all the details of what happened at Cielo but the order of events has never been clear after Jay was shot. He is expressing his opinion just like RH, me, you, Saint, etc. [Kanarek realizes something is wrong but whiffs by making too many objections and making them in the wrong order. She got lucky Atkins folded, leaving her the only game in town and she skatedAs human beings, we have a most wonderful ability to react and make life changing moves/decisions at the drop of a hat.However, Bugliosi did say that Linda wanted to testify for the prosecution even when they still had Atkins but he got the feeling that Fleischman wanted some kind of deal. Many thanks to you, Dreath. So did she really have a valid license as was presented in court? I suspect most of "the people affected by what she helped do" just want to live their lives and not be pursued by or pestered by anonymous internetters.My historical interest is not in any of them, though my heart goes out to them. Kasabian saw it as an opportunity to flee the ranch (without Tanya). Manson Blog Reveals Bobby Beausoleil's "Art" Focuses on Child Domestic Discipline! On August 11, 1969, Manson instructed Linda to bring a message to the jailed Sandy Good, Mary Brunner, and Bobby Beausoleil. Even though she was present at both the Tate and LaBianca murders, because she was the key witness in District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi's prosecution of Charles Manson and his followers for the 1969 killings, Kasabian received immunity. It was not bizarre. Crucially, Sadie came out, spoke, watched Tex hit Wogiciech then ran back in again. But now and again one does sort of let something out that is interesting. I don't remember did she show a license or maybe she didn't even have one to show? If one of the ones that you obviously wanted {the "reasonable" ones} had been accepted as the one, exactly the same thing could be said.How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the groupAt this point, I always like to say that being an angel is not a guaranteed beautiful thing.Satan's an angel !The big question: How do WE know she wouldn't kill? The two split up, but reconnected when Robert invited Linda to come out to California. That's why anything said after a leading question should be tossed in the waste binDo you mean by the jury ?Do you feel Judge Older was somewhat derelict in his duty by letting so many leading questions go through ?So I'm not trying to prove Kasabian is actually lying. Linda, who was found, possessing methamphetamine, avoided a jail sentence by attending drug-counseling classes. At the age of sixteen, she married but it ended in a divorce. There are multiple times where her testimony is not supported by the physical (objective) evidence. ' kill the white man'. Both accused of being racists who will spark a race war. Manson Mythos saidHere is a fact: Krenwinkel never said the motive was Helter SkelterShe definitely believed in it though. Manson, the mastermind criminal with an "uncanny ability" to brainwash people sent a girl who was on the ranch for a only a few weeks out on a murder mission, and didn't tell her the plan apparently.because she was licensed to drive?NOW. The big question: How do WE know she wouldn't kill? Of course there could have been alternative possibilities. It has positive aspects but often, is anything but.Linda is one person people on both sides can agree was no good personally.I wouldn't say that about anybody. I wonder if that cabinet they found Manson in was more importantyou know, you had to go through a wardrobe to get there. All the excuses people make for themI personally know- as we all do I am sure- quite a few people whose parents were divorced when they were very young. During his closing argument he actually tells the jury; "now, I am not saying, ladies and gentlemen, that Linda Kasabian deserves any medal, any award from the Kiwanis Club or anything like that; all I am saying is that there is a distinct possibility that she saved the life of a human being on the night of the LaBianca murders, and this act by Linda in deliberately knocking on the wrong door shows, along with all the other evidence in this case about her, that although she is not an angel~and we have never said she was; and she would be the first one to admit that she is not an angelYes, he distinguishes her essential character from those that killed, but he does the same thing with TJ, Paul Watkins and Brooks Poston.He also did point out about Sadie that he felt sorry for her and that he felt she had more remorse than the others. 'Now is the time for HS' only works if you have three parts: (1.) It Gets Charlie off the hookWhile getting Charlie off the hook may be paramount for "Charlie supporters" I've found piles more people who are not Charlie supporters, indeed, people who can't stand him or that think he's a shitbag and are quite happy for him to remain in or die in jail, that believe that HS is wrong.In fact, far more people think it's wrong than do, in my on line experience. I don't know.Q. She was granted full immunity from prosecution in exchange for 18 days of testimony. Thank you, orwhut, for lightening the mood. Susan herself brought it up when speaking initially with Howard & Graham. That's the point lol. And it is almost impossible - hell, it is impossible - to cut the guy who proclaimed himself the Devil before butchering nine people any slack. I still see no proof that any of the actual killers had any other reason- outside of runmor and innuendo.But thy have all said H/S was the driving force behind what they were trying to accomplish. Made me think. One gunshot would have sufficed. (click for details). By 1980 50% of marriages had/were ending in divorce. Atkins herself made that point in "The Myth" Furthermore, Charlie was never charged with attempted murder for any of the other incidents on LaBianca night. Defence ? ?This is a girl who started breaking laws at a very young age. If it comes out that a witness has two convictions, one for bestiality involving a local horse and the other for sexually abusing one of their siblings, the other side will lean hard on that. Have a look here: https://www.google.com/search?q=jehanne+d%27arc&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=joan+of+arc+book+pdf&start=10Back on subjectread anything by FBI profiler John Douglas and why Linda is a good person compared to the rest. She let the cat out of the bag about so many other things. So I'm not trying to prove Kasabian is actually lying. It'll take a while for me to digest it. What she said about Leslie was dynamite. St Circumstance saidThis is a girl who started breaking laws at a very young age. Susan Denise Atkins aka Sadie Mae Glutz . Who amongst us can judge? Manson Mythos saidThe problem is Grim, Bugliosi painted a portrait of her as being different. Look at the words Mr. Fleischman uses- I see him convincing her she needed to be a prosecution witness and helping her knock Atkins out of the box. AustinAnn74 saidI never thought she was an innocent flower childOf her being a Hippie he commented that "if any witness was ever placed under a microscope, it was Linda Kasabian, and I am convinced that each and every one of you saw the same thing under that microscope, a young hippie girl whose aimless drug oriented life tragically led her to Spahn Ranch, Charles Manson, and two nights of murder ~ two nights of horror"Hippies were not seen as the vanguard of morality or these nice folk that straight society looked to as the shining example of what young people were to be. She ran with it all the way until the penalty phase. Linda got her justice in another manner that's all lolThe real Losers in the entire saga are the victims and their families. They were both into really wild shit long before meeting Charlie. That's where I've found some of the trial and grand jury testimonies and police and lawyer interviews and magazine articles from 1969/70 invaluable.Remember, she too was indicted following the Grand Jury Which Bugliosi didn't jump for joy about. Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. Linda probably came from a home where she was ignored, and didn't have much direction or discipline, hence her making extremely poor choices in life, even as recent as 1997. That, of course, rather obviously is directed at Charles Manson. When you get to the heart of it, it is Bugliosi who says the motive was HS (+ megalomania+ anti-social hatred of the establishment+ lust for murder depending on when). Dreath saidBut wait a minute Grim, Atkins never mentions this event to the Grand Jury, not a wordThere are a number of things that don't get mentioned to the Grand Jury but she mentions a few times the confusion that was afoot and let's face it, she wasn't a reporter on the scene taking in every little detail. St Circumstance saidBut not Linda. And perhaps whatever incident was going down with each of them at that moment, it took precedence over Sharon. At the very least, he was an accessory before the fact in that particular crime. Fits her personality (disorder?). When I put this thing together while the high school stuff was fun, for me the heart of the matter was the 'Odyssey' article. Even with all the people that eventually formed part of the huge patchwork needed to make Manson's role make sense, without an Atkins, a Van Houten, a Krenwinkel, a Watson or a Kasabian, the case was so limp and that's why people would say to the prosecution things like "shame you had to be landed with such a bummer !". Went to high school with her in Milford, NH. There is no online registration for the intro class Terms of usage & Conditions St Circumstance saidMaybe the pity you have for Linda- who walked away free (That She blew it is her own fault)- would be better served to the people affected by what she helped do?? Her background should have had a greater impact. So WHY go the distance. But to the jury back in 1969, it was. Add steady hard drugs and food deprivation= a group of absolute savagesDon't waste your tears for Linda and Leslie. But at least he had an excuse Grim- respectfully one question:No hard and fast rules agreed, but let me ask you this?Do you not think there is a difference between a person like Ruth who was 15 when her father starting using hard drugs with her and in front of her, and encouraging her to have sex with older strangers WINDING UP hanging around the wrong crowdAnd a single mother like Linda who has parents willing to help her stay out of trouble and encourage her not to be in trouble yet consistently throughout her life CHOOSES to be with the wrong crowd??? The question is why would Atkins leave Sharon, alive and alone, in the house to take this little stroll? Her contentious relationship with her stepfather eventually led to her dropping out of her high school and running away from her home. The woman disappeared and she and Susan had to go looking for her ~ and never found her until they got back to the car and there she was, their lookout ! No dont stop Dreathwhat happens next ? [Off course he goes adding a third objection. "I am here because I wanted to tell the truth. I gotta disagree with you on that one. Linda grew up in a broken home where her parents separated and remarried while she was still young. Nothing devious. Because her fashions were different. Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. Was HE dropping Naplam on little girls running for cover down the road ?Linda K. is the perfect choise for examination IF you want to discover a more human side of the Manson Family Story. ?I've stated many a time that my heart goes out to many people on all sides of this saga.But TLB blogs aren't essentially about the relatives of the victims are they ? Besides the motives of Manson's passion for violent death and his extreme anti-establishment state of mind, the evidence in this trial will show that there was a further motive for these murders." By his closing argument, he calls it the main and principle one ! var part3 = "Deb at Mansonblog dot com"; ?Then she walks and spends the rest of her live breaking the law and partying wit her own child who she breaks laws with.Human side? Linda Kasabian grew up in New England, dropped out of high school and drifted around the country. Bugliosi would want that covered up and it was easy for him to do sobecause NONE of them said anything about what took place after LaBianca, until Kasabian got her deal. And even during that phase, they tried to paint her as the mastermind, but no one even attempted to say she killed anyone. Back then British law was tough. It should also lead us directly to Charles Manson (a loving father to HIS Family and a Natural Born KILLER to many others.Like no other time in History, WE are discovering new facts concerning just what makes the Human Brain tick and hopefully it won't be much longer until WE finally understand exactly why human beings do the "terrible" things THEY do.AND of course, that understanding will eventually lead to a sense of awareness in humans paralleled in all of history. In 1969, the 20 year old Linda Kasabian met Charles Manson at the ranch and immediately fell under his spell. I read it otherwise. LINDA KASABIAN Wally Fong/AP; Bill Hudson/AP THEN After two failed marriages and the birth of her daughter Tanya, Kasabian, 20, joined Manson's commune at Spahn Ranch in July 1969. That's 3 times in a week. I know that "the human side" is used to denote the lean towards goodness, softness, something of redeeming value. When I've told people of how I came to be living there and what I experienced in those 4 years and how I got away, people think it's ever such a dramatic tale. Here is an example. It was done with no thought, " may offer a window into the confusion and their lack of planning and co~ordination. But it's still 'spin'. She seems to have done the exact opposite of Linda with her life- which just goes to show you, even in the worst of circumstances- people can make their own fate. To me, it was just what was happening as I went through it.As for there being alternative possibilities, that's rather like saying there was a Wednesday last week. Believe it or not the closest I think I could get would be Atkins because IF you believe Kasabian she didn't kill anyone. She told Richard Caballero that on LaBianca night, there were to be 2 death squads. Linda's daughter, aka "Lady Dangerous" was arrested for possession of a controlled substance (both rock and powder cocaine), and was sentenced to a year in state prison. You know, had she said those things during her first trial and got death, then the death penalty was overturned as it was, she'd possibly be out now. All I am saying is that if your going to make a case for sympathy or redemption- who is a better choice? Do you hate everyone who was of draft age during the Vietnam era. As long as that question hung in the air unanswered, the jury would have a hard time believing Linda Kasabian and Bugliosi's claim that out of all these people who were fully ready, willing and able to murder for Charles Manson, there was one out of the group who happened to be an angel who thought it was simply a "creepy crawl mission" you're on swampy ground because Linda isn't the only one that didn't know what was going on that night. The general consensus seems to have been that it all happened very quickly.But what do I know ! Linda married again, this time to a hippie named Robert Kasabian. You are certainly entitled to that because we can't read her mind. Also Known As: Linda Darlene Kasabian, Linda Darlene Drouin, Spouse/Ex-: Robert Peasley (m. 1965 div.. 1966). He admits things now but this is not "incarceration '69/70. lol- it gets easier he had to teach me too :), St Circumstance saidBugs was never going to use Linda if Susan hadn't flipped on her decision to cooperateWell, he had no use for Linda as long as there was Susan. I'll stop now. I believe it. His closing argument, like the closing argument of any attorney, is just that 'argument'. But it's slippery ground to go with either, if you want to keep Charlie out of all this. I read this post and it clearly paints a picture to me that maybe others see differently. No other reason." She gives so much info on that murder, both the before, the during and the after. Not even in her Grand Jury testimony did Atkins say anythingAtkins was never pushed on it. St Circumstance saidThat's the point lol. The point is not why Sharon didn't run. The involvement of Susan and Gypsy in the Shorty affair has come to light too. AustinAnn74 earlier pointed out, regarding Linda, What if she wouldn't have testified? Charlie has opened a slight window on why Tex was picked, George on the others. As long as that question hung in the air unanswered, the jury would have a hard time believing Linda Kasabian and Bugliosi's claim that out of all these people who were fully ready, willing and able to murder for Charles Manson, there was one out of the group who happened to be an angel who thought it was simply a "creepy crawl mission".Not only did he answer that question, there was an entire scenario where not only was she asked and had a weapon put in her hand, but one in which she also proved to be a hero and thwart the plan and save a life! I couldn't find any objective evidence of that arrest but there is at least one more. Her mother, Joyce, remarried too; however, Linda did not get along well with her stepfather Jake Byrd, who according to her treated her mother and herself badly. In view of the unbelievably savage nature of these murders, and in view of the fact that hardly anything at all was taken from either the Tate or the LaBianca residences, and in view of all the other evidence in this case, including the statements of Manson, Watson, and Atkins that I have just referred to, a conclusion that these seven murders were perpetrated to help carry out some burglary or robbery would not seem to be consistent with the evidence in this case. When her second marriage, to Armenian American Robert Kasabian, began to sour, Kasabian and her baby daughter, Tanya, returned to New Hampshire to live with Linda's mother. Funny how his client shortly after turned out to be the best evidence against himWhat's so funny about that ? But again, while Susan was playing ball, Linda was surplus to requirements.and helping her knock Atkins out of the boxThat's the part I really don't believe. St Circumstance saidit just seems strange to me that nobody is willing to consider it at all, as even a possibilityI'm not nobody !Do you not think there is a difference between a person like Ruth who was 15 when her father starting using hard drugs with her and in front of her, and encouraging her to have sex with older strangers WINDING UP hanging around the wrong crowdAnd a single mother like Linda who has parents willing to help her stay out of trouble and encourage her not to be in trouble yet consistently throughout her life CHOOSES to be with the wrong crowd??? Linda took the witness stand in a series of trials and retrials. Did both sides not do that quite a lot though ? The charges against her were dropped when she agreed to attend a drug counselling session. Low level of intelligence: thinking a socialist was going to turn the United States into an idealist utopia where college was free, black people got reparations and Marijuana grew wild for all to partake. Now DailyMail.com can exclusively disclose that Linda Kasabian, 68, is living in a modest apartment complex in Tacoma, Washington, not far from the home of her daughter Quanu, 45. Dreath saidGrim, I have to disagree with you a bitOnly a bit ? And to ziggy, Lynne penny and the rest you are welcome and thank you your comments mean a lot and inspire me. It means nothing moreExcept that his 'opinion' was that of the prosecutor that went towards the securing of the conviction. Usually, when I'm reading them, I try to guess who has written them before I get to the end. I care what holes there are in her testimony and where those holes actually lead. I have also enjoyed all of the comments related to this postlove all of the insights. document.write(''); Fresh meat! However, if there's one thing I've picked up from Helter Skeptics that I find really valuable, it's to approach this case from a number of different angles, especially angles that are not the standard ones we've been given. 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